Is Obama’s ‘Fantasy Democracy’ Over?

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1. DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMANATION!
   AMERICANS VOTERS MUST REALLY GIVE SERIOUS SECOND THOUGHT TO AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY! WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HIM AND SHOULD NOT RISK THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY! Especially… in time of WAR!… Im frankly concerned about his corrupt backers, friends and Islamic connections coming out of the wood work! which the media has extremely failed voters. Im very concerned that as Presidnt he would have the countrys security information to go against Americans, Especially when we just learned he is dishonest lieing about meeting with Canada,telling voters one thing them another… REALLY THINK ABOUT IT! Who else has he met with? Who’s side is he really on? HIS CONNECTIONS TO ISLAM CONCERNS US A GREAT DEAL, I AM VERY CONCERN WITH AN EX-MUSLIM WITH A RACIST WIFE WHO ISNT PROUD OF AMERICA AS A PRESIDENT.
   THINK!

   *Obama may claim to be a Christian now. Truth is born a Muslim, father was Muslim and step father was Muslim. According to Muslim religion, the father’s religion determines the religion of the offspring. Therefore, Obama was truly once a Muslim although he denies it. ( more lies)he doesn’t have the backbone or honesty to recognize his heritage. To hear him say that he’s never been a Muslim his entire life is truly a lie since he spent his first 10 years in Indonesia, a Muslim country, living with a Muslim step father and don’t forget the law in Islam called TAGIYEH which means you can lie about your religion in order to do good for Allah! My question to you is what good does obama plan to do for Allah! Since he has the public backing of Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister,

   **Interesting that Obama’s religious affiliation have surfaced with little impact so far, dening charges about his Muslim upbringing are gradually giving way to more concrete allegations. latest round involves his political intervention in Kenya, home of his late father, where violence between ethnic and partisan factions has erupted in the wake of a disputed presidential election. Leading conservative blogs and publications charge Obama with recklessly aligning himself with opposition leader Raila Odinga of the Orange Democratic Movement. Followers of Odinga, member of the minority Luo tribe, have perpetrated horrific atrocities against members of the Kikuyu tribe because incumbent president Mwai Kibaki and the nation’s ruling elite are Kikuyu. One of the worst incidents occurred in village Eldoret, where dozens of Kikuyu Christians burned to death when they sought shelter in a church that was then set afire by their rampaging pursuers. An alleged Muslim plot to overthrow the Kibaki government, which is friendly to the United States and the West, and replace the secular constitution of Kenya with sharia law, creating a haven for al-Qaida — which blew up the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi a decade ago and still operates there. During the Kenyan election, the Christian evangelical movement in Kenya circulated a “memorandum of understanding” allegedly signed by Odinga and a group of Muslim clerics that would commit his government to instituting Muslim strictures against pork and alcohol, setting up sharia courts and ending cooperation against terrorism with Western governments. The point is to raise question about Obama and his connections with Odinga — who claims his cousin -Its true Obama, whose family is Luo, lent support to the opposition leader during a visit to Kenya two years ago and have maintained contact ever since. While that gaffe infuriated the Kibaki regime, it proved only that Obama lacked diplomatic expertise. During the current crisis in his homeland, he has tried to play a constructive role by taping radio announcements for the State Department that urge both sides to stop fighting and resolve their differences without violence. Kenya tale portrays Obama a callow politician with dubious associations, who cannot be trusted with power. He will be subjected to the same ruthless treatment as the last Democratic nominee.

   ***Obama agrees and highly respects the opinions of his spiritual advisor Rev. Wright who has recently awarded notorious Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister with their churches highest award, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, in the form of anti-Semitism, record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler “They helped him get the Third Reich on the road. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes. He talks of Jewish conspiracies and reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Obama who HAS NOT distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe and Rev Wright heaped praise of Farrakhan. Applauding his “depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation. They praised “his integrity and honesty and called him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.

   ****Mr Auchi, leading supplier of arms to Saddam’s regime and convicted for corruption in France, the British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions and millions of dollars to Barack Obama’s fund just weeks before an imprudent land deal investigation. In addition money transfer from Nadhmi Auchi, Obama used to buy his Georgian mansion in Chicago. Mr. Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million!!!. Mr. Auchi’s money was made doing business with the regime of Saddam Hussein, Mr. Auchi was a leading supplier of arms to Saddam’s regime. A former Belgian ambassador to Luxembourg charged that a bank in Luxembourg owned principally by Mr. Auchi laundered funds — including oil for food money — for Saddam and other Islamic dictators.

   –mali on Mar 07, 2008

2. Opps Think Again
   You left out something major
   Like Nafta Gate II
   http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/738264.aspx

   –Susan Rizza on Mar 07, 2008

3. First, Emil, you sly politico you, back at Square One are you?, with the rest of us cynical realists.
   But, no, I don’t think “Obama’s ‘Fantasy Democracy” is quite “over,” as in “kaput,” or “pau,” or passe even.
   Eshibit A for such an argument lies, and HOW!, in the likes of “mali’s” lengthy and Susan Rizza’s terse commentaries immediately “above.”
   And, speaking of “positions,” are you anywheres near my personal gratification at how the adjacent, next-door horizontally, “comments” kitetail column continues to exfoliate, grow, and reap the whirlwinds of a diverse “audience” that dares to speak back?
   Even if said venue also continues to evince the hilariously hateful hints of recyclings of “ching-chong-Chinamanisms” of generations past.
   The latter are the mosquitoes from the fetid backwaters of the unwashed and unrepentant.
   It’s the moneyed and superficially motivated and linguistically competent if rationally challenged ranters and ravers who give me pause. And shiver me timbers.
   “mali’s” arguments and claims, alike, to me at least, attest to his, and “their”?, ongoing fears and presumptions that Obamania may yet win the “Democratic Party” nomination.
   In which case, “mali” and they are more than ready to launch their 21st-Century “Crusade,” this time nominally neoZionist as well as neoconChristian.
   Actually, the launch was back at the turn of this century, but, now, even in the face of the obscenities and stupidities of this administration and their colleagues, overseas as well, they insist, in their bunker mentalities, that “war” and “terrorism” and murder and mayhem and destruction are the exclusive crimes of their projected, paranoid at that, counterparts in Islam?
   May one, querulously, venture the question on “human rights” — are Palestinians “human”?
   Protofascist “Islamic” sharia-law states may scare the Hell out of me as well, but, then, so do “evangelical”
   “Christians” who, in essence and effect, continue to “rule” these benighted States of Amurrika.
   And “our” protofascists are just as demonic as theirs, besides holding most if not all of the shock-and-awe weaponry at “human” hand.
   “mali” convinces on one point: that our federal forefathers were “right” in citing, inciting?, separation of church and state, even if their focus was on the intramural bloodlettings, and taxings?, of Christian sects rather than the Judeo/Christian/Islamic divide that threatens global holocaust.
   I doubt, and sincerely at that, that Obama is any more beholden to Islamic father-son loyalties than I am to Chinese claims to “dual citizenship” by right of “blood.”
   Sorry, guys, but this “godless” American of “color,” never mind the gradation OR the ethnocultural balkanizations of presumed self-interests OR self-identifications, presumes to “see” “through” all the machinations and demonizations to the bottom line:
   MONEY.
   Not the beef these days.
   Money, honey.
   Whence does it come?
   Where does it go?
   To whom?
   For what?
   And, core of all, WHY/
   Is it “transnational”?, as in “globalization” and “offshoring” and profit-squeezing?
   Is it “conspiratorial”?, as in Trilateral Commissions and Bilderbergans and colonial-supremacies-uber-alles?
   Is it the latterday incarnation of the clowned heads of Europe, or even the un”intelligent” designs of the old Roman Catholic Church, still rich and puissant and a player in today’s global games of presumed “realpolitik”?
   As for arms suppliers, can anyone doubt that Uncle Sam HAS to be the chief miscreant?, including the arming of the Taliban and BOTH sides of the Middle East conundrum?
   “War,” and murder and mayhem and destruction, whoever the promulgater, is, at once, stupid and counterproductive.
   Except to those who move the chess pieces in the sanctums of their comfortable redoubts and bunkers.
   But to the rest of us, especially to those murdered and maimed, never mind the loss of “property,” the game is more than simply rigged.
   It is, in Albert Camus’ “word,” ABSURD.
   And lethally at that.
   I may be wrong in this belief, but I believe that antineoZionism is NOT antiSemitism.
   That antineoconnings is simple observation, with or without “logic.” Who can begin to justify, much less rationalize, the wanton waste of the dubyous practitioners of “hegemony”? Corruption and ineptitude have never been more egregious in the relatively “brief” “history” of this republic.
   Whatever, “mali’s” anguished cries above are mere foreplay to the earnest fornications of the political arena yet to come, whether or no Obamania continues.
   And the sad procession of literal racist and selfish hawkings will no doubt continue apace.
   It’s just that I, personally, find the “dialog” herein demeaning AND defeating, as in infra dig, kiddo.
   This “fantasy” view is that the presumed “realist” view is more “virtual” reality than that “lived” by most of us.
   And this would=be bottom line is:
   Can “we” at the very least, begin to “listen” as well as “talk” and, more to the point, begin to muzzle the guns and stop the destruction as a prelude to “clear and honest” (ap0logies to that erudite senior councillor William Polk) discussion and “diplomacy,” whadat?, as an alternative to mindless and “endless” “war”?
   Meanwhile, the “realities” of the domestic economy, globally as well?, would appear to be trumping the race-and-religion card played by “mali.”
   On the other hand, NEVER underestimate the powers of peers over the fearful and the selfish.
   Frank Eng
   P.S.: Nota bene: “Arthur Hu” is right on cue with his contrib to this dialog in other columns and under other headlines, such as the dividing-and-deluding of minorities within minorities. The “truth” here is the same as everywhere else. The pereeptions of Money, read Power. And the “facts” herein are who dies, who’s maimed (Polk today? mentions the tens of thousands of returning “warriors” we have not begun to care for). and who’s “richer” in shrinking dollars?
   Frank Eng

   –Frank Eng on Mar 07, 2008

4. I don’t think it’s “over.” Keep in mind: even after
   Texas, Ohio, RI, VT, Obama still has a delegate
   lead that is 150+ and the Texas caucus votes (which is 1/3 of the Texas delegate count) is still being
   counted and Obama is leading about 57-42 over
   Hillary Rodham so far. So to say Obama is “over”
   is very premature. Hillary Rodham had to score
   60% victories in Texas & Ohio to cut into Obama’s
   delegate lead and she did not. And her victory is
   tainted: putting out the false information on Obama
   about NAFTA a day before the election is dirtyball
   politics. She continues to highlight her campaigning
   with lies and false comparisons (e.g., I’m more experienced than any other candidate). Even if she gets the nomination, McCain and the Republicans will likely pull out more bad stuff about her (e.g., she took 800,000+ plus from the healthcare industry right before her healthcare commission failed) than Obama and was silent when Bill Clinton did nothing to stop the genocide happening in Rwanda during his administration.

   –Sam on Mar 08, 2008

5. Chicago Tribune did a very extensive research of Obama’s past by a group of investigaative journalists in various places where Obama lived as a child and teenager in Honolulu, Jakarta, etc. They interviewed numerous people who had known Obama in those bygone days.
   To verify what he described in his book “Dreams from My Faterh”, they found many many discrepancies, errors of statements, omissions, exaggerations and even distortions.
   To find out more about this mysterious man who led so many to ecstatic Obamania and almost on his way to the White House to lead the US at a very stormy time, financially, morally, ideologically at crisis level, you should bother to look up this long article.

   Obamanites, you owe it to yourself and your country to read it.

   –Pounahu on Mar 17, 2008

6. Obama’s speech:
   http://1300kol.townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/18/obama%e2%80%99s_race_speech_full_text
   Here’s a guy who grew up as muslim who says he’s never been a muslim, and now says he doesn’t believe in the insane religion of Rev Wright even though he’s been been taught that as his religion for the past 20 years, says he’s for gay rights but won’t fight for gay marriage. You can have him, America won’t . He’ll drop out, you just watch.

   –arthur hu on Mar 18, 2008

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